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Before writing Colloquium, I indulged myself in an assload (a unit of measurement roughly equal to thirty-seven) of Twilestia pictures and fics, trying to get a real grip on what it was all about. What I first noticed was that this ship contained profound depth. Their affection for one another is something so repressed and banished to the back of their minds that, when it finally does come out, it's almost earth-shattering. These feelings are a conflict within themselves, which makes for the best case of shameful, oh-god-I-shouldn't-be-feeling-this introspection. Their own natural attraction makes them walk on eggshells and they can't even be honest with themselves. I don't know about you guys, but that's some good reading to me.

A lot of people claim that this pairing is a demonstration of pedophilia. But how? Allow me to dissect this like a dead frog covered in formaldehyde and strapped to a tray in a science class.

UHHH CELESTIA IS LIEK 1,000 YEARS OLD AND TAHTS PEDOFEELIA.

Ehem. Here's the definition of a pedophile from WebMD: A pedophile is a person who has a sustained sexual orientation toward children, generally aged 13 or younger.

Now, let me ask, does Twilight even remotely behave like a thirteen-year-old? Eenope. She's an adult, able to consent and make well thought-out decisions.

BUT CELESTIA IS STILL OLD AS FUCK, HERROPONY. UR A STUPID PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST LIBERAL AND YOU PROBABLY RECYLE. DUMB HIPPIE.

There's a difference between old as fuck and immortal. She's not a wrinkly, perverted, sexually repressed old man who has cybersex with twelve-year-olds on AOL chatrooms and eventually ends up on To Catch a Predator. She's an eternally youthful demigod who is forced to adhere to a different set of morals because of her immortality. Molestia meme aside, there is no sexual deviance or intention of harm in her actions.

SHE'S STILL TWILIGHT'S TEACHER, YOU SICK ASSHOLE. TEACHER/STUDENT RELATIONSHIPS ARE DISGUSTING. YOU'RE PROBABLY OKAY WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER NASTY STUFF TOO. I BET YOU LIKED THAT MOVIE SPLICE CUZ HE FUCKED THE ALIEN.

Celestia is so much more than just Twilight's teacher. In a way, that shallow title is degrading to the princess. It's not in the traditional sense where you get a teacher for a semester and then you move on. She's been there for Twilight's entire life. Celestia is her personal mentor, basically molding her and helping her reach her true potential. Twilight is her protoge, her brainchild. She doesn't just sit in a class and fantasize about Celestia when she bends down to pick up chalk; they have something deep-seated and unfathomable. Besides Luna, Twilight is Celestia's only relation that goes beyond the strictly detached princess/subject interaction, and it's most likely a colossal relief.

All in all, it's a bittersweet ship that is undoubtedly misunderstood. Don't ship it? That's fine and dandy. Just presenting my argument on how it's definitely not pedophiliac or sick. Or I'm just really bored. Yeah, that's it. After all, this is just a children's cartoon about colorful talking horses that turned into an internet phenomenon, and I'm making shipping headcanons about it.

What has my life become?
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JustAnotherTimeLord Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
I believe that Twilestia is more akin to incest, personally. I mean, think about it like this: Celestia has basically raised her from a very young age. She's like a second mother to her, but more importantly, she has seen her grow up.

That's . . . creepy. How do you justify Celestia watching Twilight grow up and then pursue her as a romantic interest? She would have had to have been harbouring feelings for her as a foal. It doesn't make sense for her to start seeing her in a different light as she grows older.

So that's why I don't like Twilestia. It doesn't make any sense, and it is the honest to goodness ship that was made up to chase brony fancy and only that.    
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ToixStory Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fancy seeing you here.
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TheNewArchive Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
I've seen that brought up multiple times, and honestly it never made sense to me. It still doesn't.

For one, the argument automatically fails considering they aren't slightly related. Second, why does that imply she'd have had to have been harboring feelings for her as a foal? It doesn't. In fact, that sounds more like accusing her of pedophilia more than anything else, and we obviously know that isn't true. Also, why, exactly, can't their feelings change? It's not like feelings are set in stone. Considering how they aren't related, nor did they spend as much time together when she was older, I could easily see feelings changing. It doesn't have to be one extreme ("They've always had mother/daughter relations from the beginning to the end!") or the other extreme ("Celestia has feelings for Twilight as an adult, which obviously means she's a pedophile!"). 
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JustAnotherTimeLord Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
Ugh, you know, I understand what incest is, but how the hell do you guys (there have been more that have said the same thing) not get what I'm saying? It's like incest is black and white for people, where prior relationships don't at least have an effect on how it is viewed, and, more importantly, how it feels. Feelings in some relationship are very, very important. And this is the main point I'm getting at:

Twilight loving Celestia romantically? Far more reasonable because Celestia stays the same, for one, and Twilight can more reasonably come to harbour these feelings for her.

Celestia giving that love back? How do you see this being okay and fine? Like I said, she has watched Twilight grow up and has been a mother figure to her. That's years of time together. Years. 

I simply cannot see any way of Celestia reciprocating any feelings for Twilight. How does one who's watched a child grow into an adult by basically raising her do that?

Which is why I said it very easily implies previous feelings. It's the only way it makes sense.

I mean, I'm not trying to step on a soapbox here and yell down all those who say otherwise to this, but . . . it doesn't make sense to me, and you saying that you can see it happening doesn't do anything but make me continue to believe that this ship was never meant to make sense. It's there to cater to brony fancy, as I said.    
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PoisonSymic Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014
I would suggest considering the *reason* student/teacher relationships are considered inappropriate:  a teacher holds authority over a student in a way which is impossible to untangle from consent. Same reason the military doesn't allow relationships between officers and subordinates in the same chain of command.

The thing is, Twilight is now a full-fledged alicorn Princess in her own right, which arguably means she's "graduated" -- Celestia is still her mentor, but not her teacher the way she was before. Which makes a relationship ethical.
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littlemario1 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014
You are an awesome person and I was a Twilestia shipper from the word go.
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super-baka Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Damn iPod keyboard. I am bitterly disappointed at the lack of romantic Twilestia fics out there. In conclusion, great job!
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super-baka Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Very well thought out! When I first heard of Twilestia, I must admit that a few of these arguments came to mind, but then I decided to take a look at some Twilestia fanfics, and now, not only have I come to the same conclusions that you have drawn here, but Twilestia is now my OTP, and I am bitterly disappo
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AndytheB-Artist Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Hobbyist
Relating to the student-teacher point, I do like this humerous role reversal. [link]
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lexiejay Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013
Hmm, you present many fine points with firm logical backings to them. I do see your points and agree with them. I personally don't ship Twilestia but that's just because I'm so new to the mlp fandom in general but I may become a shipper later of this pairing.
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